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Muslims in 2015 claimed that the Birmingham Folios which were dated using Carbon Dating between 568-745 AD, were thus the oldest example of the Qur'an, and co-existed with the time of Muhammad himself. Yet, Muslims need to be careful about these dates, as Jay and Al Fadi show that other carbon datings of similar Qur'anic material (the Sana'a manuscript) from four European labs give dates which are 60 years before the birth of Muhammad, and even in some cases even earlier, which suggests that the Qur'an received its material from much earlier documents, all written before Muhammad, before Islam, and certainly before the Qur'an. Jay looks at the three stories within the Birmingham folios taken from Surahs 18-20, and notices that they include the story of Moses, the story of the 7 sleepers of Ephesus, and the story of Dhu-al Qarnain (Alexander the Great), which are all borrowed from pre-existing accounts which were all earlier than the Qur'a'n. He then looks at other borrowed stories within the Qur'an, those of Cain and Abel in Surah 5:31-33; the story of Abraham in Surah 20:51-71; and the story of © Pfander Centre for Apologetics, 2018 (17,267)
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Asim Raja (1 month ago)
Even ignorant man like this is fortunate to have freedom of speech. Even though he is a proficient liar. He is a disgrace to good Christians!!
Asim Raja (1 month ago)
What another sham. These poor excuse of people have no knowledge of carbon dating. This man is joke and a disgrace to good Christians. This idiot doesn’t even know what parchment 📜 is. It is taken from animal skin. Which means it dates when the leather of the living animal was. This man is utterly stupid! Please good Christians don’t let this idiot represent you!
Yousuf Sadat (1 month ago)
When Christians didn’t find any other way to prove Islam is wrong they came up with Carbon dating. It is going to make no difference what your carbon dating produces
Ahmed Abdullah (1 month ago)
Explain astronomy like the quran did 1400 years ago.
E manuel (14 days ago)
https://explorable.com/mesopotamian-astronomy Also babilonians where very pretty good at that.... before quaran
tusar hasda (1 month ago)
outstanding
You have little knowledge about Islam. In short, why Islam cannot be reformed. 1- The Religion of Allah is one. And its name is TEVHID (Tawheed) religion. Adam, Noah, Solomon, David, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad prophets and others. TEVHID (Tawheed) is the religion. (TEVHID (Tawheed) religion; To believe in the unity of Allah (God).) According to this situation; To give a simple example. Prophet of Adam; Kindergarten of religion ( damaged, lost its validity, removed from circulation.) Prophet David; Primary school of religion ( damaged, lost its validity, removed from circulation.) Prophet Moses; middle School of religion ( damaged, lost its validity, removed from circulation.) Prophet Jesus; University of religion ( damaged, lost its validity, removed from circulation.) and finally complete. Prophet Muhammad; president professor of religion, etc.. .... This is not a complete example. Tevhit religion is the latest completed. In other words, Islam is the last and completed version of the religion of Tawheed. Another term; Hanif is the religion. All the prophets brought the same religion. https://www.google.com/search?q=All+the+prophets+brought+the+same+religion.&oq=All+the+prophets+brought+the+same+religion.&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 What is Tawheed religion? https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&ei=TPGnXI3nEYWvkwXss73wCg&q=What+is+Tawheed+religion%3F&oq=What+is+Tawheed+religion%3F&gs_l=psy-ab.12..35i39.150861.150861..156920...0.0..0.121.121.0j1......0....2j1..gws-wiz.YeW03Cb-l1I What is Hanif religion? https://www.google.com/search?q=What+is+Hanif+religion%3F&oq=What+is+Hanif+religion%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Jihad; It is done when a call for help is received from an oppressed community. Jihad; For defense purposes. and there is no oppression, "Be a Muslim."
C Costa (1 month ago)
Quran is a fake plagiarized book. Nothing holy about it, more like unholy quran.
gypsycruiser (1 month ago)
Why does the presenter dress like that?
Aniq Sabhiha (2 months ago)
It's easy just read that manuscript in the Quran the name of Prophet Muhammad mentioned 4 time in surah Al imran :144 Al ahzab :40 Surah muhammad:2 Al fath :29 If you Christian claim that Muslim is wrong just check it in that manuscript and proff or Quran isn't no change so just read that and compare it with today quran
Aniq Sabhiha (2 months ago)
that's carbon dating is wrong ,there are 2 error in carbon dating ratio of c14 and c12 not absolutely in everytime
susan didary (2 months ago)
There are differences between the Bible and Torah about other prophets before them, which one is right? what has been the truth? Right answer is in Quran, for those who looking for the truth.
susan didary (2 months ago)
Since, Quran is from God , not borrowing from the Bible or Torah.
Breathtaking World (2 months ago)
I think this video proves Jay smith is Also 5000 years old
Breathtaking World (2 months ago)
This person is misguiding everyone but giving wrong dates of various Quran manuscripts
Breathtaking World (2 months ago)
You don't even know the real carbon dating date..How can we trust you with this bla bla bla?
Farrukh Shah (2 months ago)
Jay Smith you are full of lies and garbage your assumptions make me sick.
Farrukh Shah (2 months ago)
Stop spreading lies you fool
Farrukh Shah (2 months ago)
Lie
Farrukh Shah (2 months ago)
Lie
Stoogewriter (1 month ago)
Prove it!
Nasir Fazal (2 months ago)
I trained at MIT nuclear reactor,Mr. White I can tell you that you don't have the slightest clue about radio-carbon dating why don't you shut your trap about something you don't know anything about(did not your mother teach you that?) You come up with these bogus conspiracy theories.Sir you give bad name to scholarship.. I know bigots are financing you Prof. Dr.N.Fazal Cambridge Mass
C Costa (1 month ago)
You muslims love some conspiricy. Keep playing your taqiyya, people are getting smarter and wont buy this bullshit from this evil ideology called islam. Fake religion created by a lunatic and a pedophile.
free man (2 months ago)
What about the one where the koran claims that Mary mother of jesus is 2000 yrs old since Marys brother is (aaron) sura 19-27-28 Aaron was not mary mother of jesus brother she would have had to be 2000 yr old when she got jesus if the koran is to be belived
Mr. Khan (3 months ago)
XXX WARNING EXPLICIT OVER 18 ONLY XXX Genesis 19:33-36 New International Version (NIV) 33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. 34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. 36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Genesis 38:15-18 New International Version (NIV) 15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face.16 Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the roadside and said, “Come now, let me sleep with you.” “And what will you give me to sleep with you?” she asked. 17 “I’ll send you a young goat from my flock,” he said. “Will you give me something as a pledge until you send it?” she asked. 18 He said, “What pledge should I give you?” “Your seal and its cord, and the staff in your hand,” she answered. So he gave them to her and slept with her, and she became pregnant by him. PERHAPS THIS IS WHY THERE ARE SO MANY CAUCASIAN PEDOPHILES. WHITE CULTURE AT IT'S FINEST!!! O AND DON'T FORGET! THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PAID OVER 3 BILLION DOLLARS IN "HUSH" MONEY TO CHILD SEX ABUSE FAMILIES. NOW ASK YOURSELF, IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT TO SEND YOUR CHILDEREN TO CHURCH FOR?
SAM SAMAH (3 months ago)
So you two fools think that the Qur'an was written 200 years before Muhammad yet, no one knows who wrote it huh? We know what happened in history going back 5000 years but we don't know who wrote the Quran 1600 years ago? Once you find out who did (if it wasn't by God through Muhammad) and you have a name, when, how and why then you can open your big lying mouth and claim that the Qur'an story is fabricated. In the meantime I have two gifts for you below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK2MPNd8eNo&t=44s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsNr9tz1Gao
Iru Muthie (3 months ago)
Non sense. He was murtad (the man in grey cloth) Definetely, he would condemn Islam. JS has mission to convinced people to leave Islam. Great combination to spread hates to Islam. 😴😴😴😴
david alexander (3 months ago)
This video show how stupid jay smith is. Typical christian apologetic 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 *Birmingham parchment contain the following verses : I quote only a few which is relevant* *Allah denied having taken a son.* Quran 18:4 And to warn those who say, " Allah has taken a son." *Quran is mentioned by its name.* Quran 20 : 2 We have not sent down to you the Qur'an that you be distressed *Allah is mentioned by His Name :* Quran 20:8 Allah - there is no deity except Him. To Him belong the best names. Jay smith show his true color that he never made any observation but, jump to conclusion not knowing what he is talking about. certainly he did not do his homework before making his conclusion that the birmingham parchment predates Muhammad : Saying that he meant to say that Muhammad copied from already existed scriptures:, as a consequence knowing those verses quoted above are within the parchments : *There has been a scripture that goes against christianity who claim that god has a son. (above quran surah 18 : 4) before Islam* *And the scriptures is using the same name Al quran* *And it is said that the revelation are from Allah. The same God, of todays Al quran revealed through Prophet Muhammad.* *It is typical christian, whose knowledge comes from heresy, instead of a thorough observation* *This is an total embarassment shown by christians whose teaching are build upon lies and deceptions. *
david alexander (1 month ago)
+Scott whatever *and do you even realize by claiming you know quran better you show your own stupidity like jay smith, if you know the quran better than you know that the birmingham parchment contain an exact verses of todays Al quran* *Those i already mentioned in my above post* I requote : *Birmingham parchment contain the following verses : I quote only a few which is relevant* *Allah denied having taken a son.* Quran 18:4 And to warn those who say, " Allah has taken a son." *Quran is mentioned by its name.* Quran 20 : 2 We have not sent down to you the Qur'an that you be distressed *Allah is mentioned by His Name :* Quran 20:8 Allah - there is no deity except Him. To Him belong the best names. So claiming that you know quran better meaning you know that those are in todays quran. *Jay smith claim that birmingham parchment predated Muhammad (already existed before Muhammad, meaning muhammad copied from an already existed scriptures)* *Than the consequences of his allegations therefore that there has been a scripture denied jesus devinity and sonship of god before islam,* *And this old scripture name their god Allah an exact same God we muslim believe.* *The same name is used for the scripture Al quran* *Are you still proud claiming how stupid you are claiming to know quran better?* *What an idiot* 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Next time do read first before even commenting, you and jay smith and other christian missiomaries are only good in showing your own stupidiy.
david alexander (1 month ago)
+Scott whatever 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 *If you know the quran better you wont be a christian.* *A muslim who never read al quran is not a real muslim. Not like christian. You do not need to read your bible to be a christian like most of you christian. But not a muslim. Because a muslim who does not read Al quran is not a real muslim.* *Because al quran is teaching a way of life. While the bible especially the new testament tells nothing but the story of jesus.* Which history and which other religion mention about christianity are you even sober?
Saleh Farman (3 months ago)
Quran-Islam was inaugurated in 240 CE by the AlMighty God to the Seal of the Prophets! New Testament was inaugurated in the 325 CE by a Pagan Emperor to 4 men! Sanhedrin incorporated in the late 5th Century CE by men! Historical evidence of the sleepers from the earliest Christian version comes from the Syrian bishop, Jacob of Sarugh (c. 450-521), in the 6th-century CE Mr Jay Smith pls educate yourself and dont be an embarrassment to the historical researchers community!
Saleh Farman (3 months ago)
Beautiful Investigation. It proves my research and that is, Quran-Islam started in the 3rd Century CE! This means the Quran and the Seal of the Prophets were much older than the Creed of Nicea! Please read my writtings. Thank you https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606373.0 https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607488.0 https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607488.115
Jamshed Khan (3 months ago)
Jay smith will never tell that carbon dating only tells about the perchment not about the writtings. The more you supress the truth Jay smith the more will it emerge. Jay smith you have got the reply from Ijaz Ahmad when you running
First Gold (3 months ago)
WHY CHRISTIANITY IS WORNG! 1. ILL- BEFITTING QUALITIES OF GOD A. God commands his Prophet to walk naked. "At the same time spake the LORD by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot. [3] And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia;" (Isaiah 20:2-3) Imagine Isaiah one of the mightiest of the Biblical Prophets walks absolutely naked and barefoot for 3 years on the commandment of God. A Prophet of God Walking down the streets, in front of women and children absolutely naked for 3 long years not even wearing a G-string. Imagine if a Pope goes around naked preaching the message of God. Huh ! Is this the quality of God that he commands people to do such things. The Glorious Quran says "Say: "Nay, Allah never commands what is shameful: do ye say of Allah what ye know not?"" (Quran 7:28) God doesn't command people to do such shameful deeds B. Not Omnipotent. "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." (Judges 1:19) Whereas the same bible tells us that God is Omnipotent. "...but with God all things are possible." (Mathew 19:26) One can see clear contradictions in the qualities of God in the man-altered bible. 2. SCIENTIFIC ERRORS IN THE BIBLE A. The world cannot move. Psalm 93:1 KJV The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the WORLD ALSO IS STABLISHED, THAT IT CANNOT BE MOVED. FACT: The world does move, it rotates around its axis and it completes an entire rotation in 24 hours (i.e. a day), and while the earth is doing that, it orbit our sun and it completes an entire orbit in 365 days (i.e. a year). We experience the rotation of the world around its axis as day and night come one after another. And we experience the rotation of the world around our sun as seasons change. B. All animals eat herbs Genesis 1:30 KJV And to EVERY BEAST OF THE EARTH, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, n I have given every GREEN HERB FOR MEAT: o and it was so. FACT: Genesis makes a mistake about the diet of animals. According to God, all animals on earth started as carnivores and none were carnivores and omnivores. This is false since this never happen and it never does happen. Can a imagine a Lion favouring grass over raw meat? Only a fool would believe something like this. 3. FALSE PROPHECIES A. Paul made a false prophecy about the coming of Jesus during his lifetime... 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 13Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord,will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage each other with these words Paul actually believed that Jesus would return and take them away to heaven. Well, 2000 years have passed, Jesus didn't come back, and Paul died. B. Jesus makes a false prediction Matthew 16:28 KJV Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Jesus told his disciples that they would not die until they see him return in his kingdom. Again, 2000 years have passed and Jesus didn't come back, and the disciples died.
First Gold (3 months ago)
You fool! The parchment is old, but that doesn't mean that the writing (ink) is old.
Stoogewriter (1 month ago)
What?!? So you are the suggesting that the ink can predate the parchment?!? You CAN'T date ink because of all of the ingredients and the mixing of the oils in the human 👐!
First Gold (1 month ago)
That's exactly what I mean. The parchment might be old, not the ink. Thanks for helping me prove that!
Abdullah Baker (3 months ago)
lā ʾilāha ʾillā llāh muḥammadun rasūlu llāh There is no god but God. Muhammad (pbuh) is the messenger of God.
Chris Fullerton (4 months ago)
I really wish I could find this PowerPoint Jay Smith is using somewhere online. Does anybody know a site it is on?
Chris Fullerton (3 months ago)
+Frankly my dear I just dont want to spend 3 hours transcribing each slide from all...9 videos? It's not about the excell graph part. It's just, as I go through every site related to Jay, I can't find links to his powerpoints. But I hear him say at the end of his lectures that if anyone wanted his material he will give it so I do not think it is an intellectual property thing and I assume I can not find the specific link to his materials.
Frankly my dear (3 months ago)
You could just type it in to PowerPoint yourself. The graph at 2:42 looks to be an Excel graph inserted into the PowerPoint slide.
Mohd Asyraf (4 months ago)
Al Quran is not word of beloved Prophet (pbuh). Muhammad s.a.w was the practical, while Quran is manual. the word of Allah being heard to prophet from the beginning of the human life
Islam Shafiul (5 months ago)
Muslim never lie but non Muslim
Islam Shafiul (5 months ago)
This man is trying to blackmail to people wearing Muslim dress. But he is not Muslim
Dorian Gray (5 months ago)
Jay's got a problem. His narrative - that Quran is a concoction, a fabrication - is falling apart. Quran repeats some biblical accounts and mentions the same prophets. It clearly refers to earlier scriptures of Torah and Injeel. And that's no secret. Carbon dating applies to the parchment, not to the actual ink. All the parchments dating back to around Muhammad's time support authenticity of Quran and negate Jay's nonsense. Sure, Usman compiled Quran after Muhammad's death. And Usman's compilation was based on bits of Quran that were written down previously on parchments etc. Birmingham parchment is one such bit. It fits the timeline perfectly. Jay is now dancing around the issue, using slippery language and cleverly omitting details in every sentence he utters. He is attempting to distort the issue and confuse the audience.
Joe Keenan (4 months ago)
Parchment age, not ink age, determines the age of the document. If I have a parchment 500 years old, and I write on it with 1000 year old ink.....so, what? The document is 500 years old.
Rech y manongca Valdez (5 months ago)
I think, islam is from satan, and there is a black magic on that book that's why they have a black heart(not all).
Mr. Afifi (5 months ago)
Jay Smith your are so whimsical like a Whoopy Cushion but with a skunk stench... Please keep telling the Christians that the Prophet Muhammad did not exist or that he stole the book from Jesus the first lost gospel... Or that Mecca is actually petra... Or even that you are actually a man of GOD and not Paul in disguise.... Anyways this below should shut you up... http://www.iandavidmorris.com/mecca-before-islam-2-makoraba-macoraba/ "Some of Ptolemy’s locations in Arabia are known to us, like Yathrib (Lathrippa), present-day Medina; some are unknown or disputed. Among the names is Macoraba – Ptolemy spells it Makoraba in Greek, but Latin translations prefer Machoraba and Macoraba – which Ptolemy puts in the west of the Arabian Peninsula. There is a consensus in academic scholarship that Mecca is Macoraba. The coordinates put it roughly in the right place, and the name seems roughly correct. Several etymologies have been proposed, but the preferred solution is that it comes from an Old South Arabian word like *mikrāb, with the meaning ‘temple’. Macoraba was therefore a noteworthy centre of pre-Islamic religion as far back as the second century CE. When you encounter Macoraba in scholarly literature you are quite likely to find this etymology, and extremely likely to find the identification with Mecca." Jay you are kind of an ass... It took me 3-4 mins to disprove entirely what you have been putting together for 30 years or so... Get a life man your a loser in this world don't be a loser on judgement day too. Come back to monotheism come to Islam or you will commit "The Unpardonable Sin!!!" (It's in the Bible man!!!!!!!!!) https://fayezthezealot.wordpress.com/2014/12/28/makkah-historical-mecca-during-pre-islamic-period/
onemarktwoyou (5 months ago)
Must be nice being a member of the warlord cult and lie like that.
Gottfried Himmel (5 months ago)
First of all : Radio carbon method is not 100% correct and secondly : They date the paper not the ink. And it was absolutly normal in this time that they used paper sevral times. They just washed the ink of and used it again. This is why the paper can be a few years older. But its funny to see how christian missionarys now jump in a circle like crazy and try to look for excuses hh ^^
Dave Randle (5 months ago)
✋🛑😂😂😂
Abdul-Rahim Muhammad (6 months ago)
Those are the dates of revelation: 610-632
Rami AlHarthi (6 months ago)
regardless... we all know muslims use the fact that Quran is the only book memorized and passed down by many ppl in every generation since it was revealed.. this beasts any means of protection against tampering and altercations.. any change of any word in any copy through out islamic history would be detected by thousands of muslim huffaz who know quran word by word.. this strategy of preservation to the literal text combined with not forbiding the act of literal language translation of the Quran as a strategy to preserve the intended meaning is why Quran is uniquely preserved .. sorry guys thats what you need to be discussing right there..
MidwestHapkido (6 months ago)
Eh...excuse me but the Carbon 14 assay only indicates the age of the parchment and parchment as a material could be reused many times. One need not store parchment. Rather old and deteriorating text could be removed And new text inscribed. Are we ever going to get around to the varainces in Christian Literature?
Fowzia Salie (6 months ago)
You hate Islam so much ....you will die with the quraan on your mind ...it's like you so obsessed with it...Allah Hu Akbar
Le Med Student (6 months ago)
If there is evidence from several manuscripts that they were written before Mohammed, why is this not taught in non Islamic countries as fact? Are there scientific articles confirming the dating? I understand Muslims would dismiss that evidence but if this is indeed the case then it clearly demonstrates that the Quoran was written BEFORE the life of the prophet so why is this not common knowledge in Christian countries for example?
SDR Faith (6 months ago)
This confirms that Rome invented Islam. http://remnantofgod.org/PopeKoran.htm This is why the two religions have so much in common: false doctrine of heaven by works, guaranteed hellfire for leaving the church, strange stories of Jesus making birds out of clay, repetitive prayers, buddaistic prayer beads, holy head quarters, special clothing, uplift Mary but anti woman, have a spirit of pedophilia, holy sites that must be visited, and bloodthirsty history and present and so on. http://remnantofgod.org/chrislam.htm
Me (6 months ago)
Not to mention that Jay Smith is a liar, the carbon dating dates the paper itself but does not date when the text was written on it. That's assuming he's not lying about the carbon dating.
Filip Wessman (1 month ago)
They SPECIFICLY brought up that point. Several times in the video. Watch it again.
P KC (6 months ago)
Praise Yaweh, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Mr. Afifi (5 months ago)
P KC oh 4 gods now... Yeah that's very Shameful... Bad days ahead for you...
sam mas (6 months ago)
MUST READ!! Carbon dating is not 100% accurate but is fairly close. The quran majeed dated between 568-645 ad and prophet muhammads time was 570 AD and 632 AD. Their is a huge percentage of time overlapping the time after the prophets passing when it was compiled into writing 13 years the carbon dating shows subhanallah. Not to mention the actual parchment itself needs a long time to be processed from animal skin to parchment. Which is What is carbon dated the skin of parchment. Considering these factors: 1. Carbon dating is not 100% accurate but close (hence a lot of overlap) 2. The actual time for the animal skin to become parchment 3. A lot of time overlaps. Now let's also consider how beautiful it is that Allah said he will preserve the Qur'an and how the earliest Qur'an is an exact match of the modern Qur'an subhanallah.
C Costa (1 month ago)
Lol Quran is a fake plagiarized book created by a lunatic and pedophile.
van rob (6 months ago)
was mohamed a nice guy?did he never steel,or use vailange,or date a litle girl ,when mo was 50 years and she 9 years?
Saviera Shintyara (7 months ago)
Waste money for carbon dating research... it is book by the fool people for the fool people... Give the money for the poor !
Alex L (7 months ago)
Man..islam is a big mess
Divya Prasanna Raj (7 months ago)
My dear great Muslims..If Abraham Moses and Jesus are prophet then why did mohamad told that Jews and Christians are kafah. .where all the prophets are Jews..? Mohammed is bigest seaker of sexual and power. So he started marrying even six years kid..he is bigest rapist and evil to kill people later followed by kings to have power.
Ishtiaq Malik (7 months ago)
Craziziness ---what is so obvious make no sense what he talks----sheep eating sea food---could be very much during period 610-632-- Nothing can satisfy------typical
cahaya kemilau (7 months ago)
quran can be full memorised by human beings.......so every dot or character can be identified if false or changed from time to time.......quran do not rely on manuscripts/books....but memorise.... there is no revised standard version of quran .....except your the rsv bible ......
onemarktwoyou (5 months ago)
+cahaya kemilau muslims and roman catholics(pagans) are too brainwashed to listen.
cahaya kemilau (5 months ago)
+onemarktwoyou do not shout to another person before you recognise your whole own body........
onemarktwoyou (6 months ago)
+cahaya kemilau LIAR!!!! That was already proven a LIE!!! The qur'an the book of gibberish has been proven to have been orally lost. Also the standard Arabic text today is from 1924 A.D. and does NOT read identical to any other version. AGAIN islam disproved by islam.
cahaya kemilau (6 months ago)
​+onemarktwoyou quran is what you can see in the world now (with Taskhih Quran of course) and more important what you can hear directly from a HAFIZ until the end of the world ....... do not bother with manuscripts or any printed materials. Here it is the eternal kitab one.....(enough our conversation?????)
cahaya kemilau (6 months ago)
onemarktwoyou please compare between full memorized and the manuscripts. Memorized/memories are eternal .... not similar with your manuscripts of your books .... sir
Your Teacher (7 months ago)
The guy on the left is also an idiot. He probably not in the Middle East ,but decide to dress in Middle Eastern Halloween costume to make this video sound convincing. Bunch of dumb asses.
onemarktwoyou (7 months ago)
Yet these people you call "dumb asses" has literally used truth to destroy the islamic lies.
Your Teacher (7 months ago)
Carbon dating is very inaccurate. Any scientists can tell you. The data is accurate and proof Quran is from Muhammed lifetime. Carbon dating can never give you exact date.
Sean Hannigan (7 months ago)
You must know cargon dating is unreliable at best. Often hundred, som,etimes thousands of years off.
onemarktwoyou (7 months ago)
The Arabian hordes ripped off the religion from Petra, so this is probably evidence of that. mosques(qiblas) didn't face Mecca for a hundred years after muhammad's so-called death. They faced Petra!!! That alone shows what is now called islame was hijacked just like Rome hijacked Christianity to unify the people.
Chocklate 06 (7 months ago)
God bless you for putting effort and time to enlighten people. As a Christian raised in Islamic country, I understand Islam and Islamic mentality very well. I don't need anyone to tell me what the truth of Islam is, I have seen racism against my people if not got prosecuted, killed, or robbed off by muslims. I had to flee to one of the Western countries. I see muslims here enjoy freedom of speech and religion and multiply like rabbots. My nightmare is they get powerful and rule the western world (that's why they multiply like rabbots), I don't want my kids to see this in their future one day
Mr. Afifi (5 months ago)
Chocklate 06 wow you would think that the Bible or Jesus would have at least given you some warning... It's so weird like the ALL MIGHTY just gave up on you...
Farook Dinaully (7 months ago)
Jay Smith I am sure you dont like my honesty in fairness,I don't like your lies,the deeper you dig your lying deceit hole,the further your lying ass will have to climb out of it.You are a coward who hides behind lies and deceit.
nezir çağlar (7 months ago)
birmingham quran
Robert Janssens (7 months ago)
amazing !
Dennis Lockhart (7 months ago)
GODBLESS ☝️❤️✝️🔥 THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE
Elijah cesspoole (7 months ago)
Know islam= no peace. islam is a peace of shit. FUCK ISLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SY SULAIMAN ARIFFIN (7 months ago)
If someone believe that Muhammad brings Islam then they will stuck with this issue. BUT if you follow whats Quran told that Islam and Muslim were brought to this world by the first prophet of Adam. Not only to human Quran mentioned about submission of every entities to God's Sunatullah. Quran told Adam that God will give guidance when they were brought down to earth. Muhammad SAW actually never say that he is the only one who brought Islam to the world but prophet and deciphal are may and come from different locations. Quran is the last and complete revelation of Islam.
Purnamajaya Sutarno (8 months ago)
Poor you, Jay Smith, may Allah mercy you, aamiin
God own familyTV (1 month ago)
Purnamajaya Sutarno before you use your evil Allah to pray for him remember that your so call Allah could not saved or protect Mohammed when he was poison and could not make Mohammed to know how to read or write that kind of Allah is dead.. come back to Jesus the miracle working the one that have the power to save Jesus loves you
kashif irshad (8 months ago)
Lol 😂😂😂 BS alert
Stoogewriter (1 month ago)
Prove it!
TO NO (8 months ago)
2018 and it becoming increasingly obvious that The Bible was written by men to mislead. Just read chapter 1 & 2 and compare them! Now wouldn’t you think that subsequent ‘messengers of god’ would have known this! After all they claimed to be in touch with god, why didn’t they declare the Bible to be a man made book? But no, they confirmed that all the lies, mistakes and contradictions in it were the word of god. Strange or is it?
y Israel (8 months ago)
FACT not FICTION Islam is the only religion on earth from the beginning of time to the end of time judgement day all prophets were ARABS MUSLIMs too if Jesus Christ or moses or Muhammad , all books are for Islam and Muslims if taorah Bible Quran all other believes are man made religions if Christianity or jewdism or Hinduism Buddhism even Sikhism it's the will of God .
Ilestun (8 months ago)
I guess the easiest way to deny those proofs is to tell that we are all wrong about the birth date of Muhammad.
Hassan Garba (8 months ago)
Please watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu-8UrTH1wc
One very simple thing you guys missed while fabricating this lie.. If the Quran is older than Muhammad.. how come his name is mentioned there 4 times? How come there's a chapter by his name? And how come there are stories about things that happened late in his life? BRUH!
Sham Sham (8 months ago)
At least Jay not complaining about variant of writing of Koran. Word for word the same as modern koran!..... Who knows about carbon dating?..... I rest my chase😎😎😎
Gazgandalf (8 months ago)
Apologies to the chap on the left, from Saudi as I don't know his name. But when he says something interesting or by way of clarification for us learning about Islam Jay never says, "Good point" or "That's interesting because." Jay lets the guys point land flat and begins speaking about something else. I just find that a little rude. Hey, I know Jay has a lot of info to give, but sometimes it does come out a little robotic and the Saudi chap helps summarise or put into perspective. I have watched a lot of Jay Smith material and he is bringing to light things that are important to know. He clearly has set raised his life and purpose in illuminating the inconsistencies of Islam. And for that, I'm sure most people appreciate his work. However, he is quick to get into his 'story' mode and rip out facts. But I need people like the Saudi to slow things down and highlight what is and isn't important. If Jay ever reads Youtube comments: "Jay - you're a fantastic resource and doing a great job. However, when your buddy quips in, please recognise what he has said as being equally important ... thanks"
nasim s (8 months ago)
why not make today just like quran this a challange by quran.
nasim s (8 months ago)
I agree can be changed Mohammad biodata. because the Arab king doesn't want to come back to Islam.so Arab king they make confusing Mohammad date of birth that can happen, but they can not change the Quran, because of Allah responsibility safe the Quran. after Mohammad whole world tries to change Quran.quran by self is a challenge everyone on earth goes head change the Quran or just like Quran make another book. steel challenge today, so do it let see ok.this is ok maybe he was born before what we know today dated of mohammad.
miiiaaaow (8 months ago)
Great stuff - needs more exposure! Is there an error on the slide? Muhammad's lifetime line should be from ‎583–632, however the line on the slide starts after 600 to 650-something. Please rectify.
judy marshall (8 months ago)
Problem lies in the many "first editions" and those with eraser marks with other words over them. Mohamed was prophesied in the book of Revelation. He is the false prophet that Jesus warned us about in Revelation. Even In The Quaran it says Jesus is the Word of God. Mary was a virgin. Jesus is divine and did not sin. Mohmad took advantage of his position when married to take on other wives and then giving in to his lust married a 6 yr old child, fiddling with her until he consummated with her at the age of 9. HIs corrupt Uncles and consults, used his teachings, which endorsed Jesus, then, hid that from the religion that warred of the world of that day. They were the four horseman of Revelation! They overtook the Christian world, killed and forced converts to their religion, as the corrupt Catholic church did in their day. Jesus is our Savior!
Ahonk Honkler (7 months ago)
+judy marshall wrong, Keder doesn't hear any singing for Jesus, its sung for Allah the Most High! and it says "Mine servant" which means a Slave (descended of the Bondwoman Hagar, not the freewoman Sarah). In Arabic, "Mine Servant" translates to Mustafa, but dead sea scrolls says Ahmad/Etmach! As for Jesus, how does the son of Adam become the redeemer of Israel, by becoming part of the Dead? You do know there is a difference between Savor and Redeemer (which you define as savior, a title given to YAHWEH ELOHEEM)? http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/the-Jewish-Bible/Muhammad-in-Isaiah42.htm
judy marshall (7 months ago)
Yes Jesus is prophesized in Isaiah 42. Jesus was sinless, the sacrificial Lamb of God, sent to us from God.
Ahonk Honkler (7 months ago)
He is prophecized in Isaiah 42, read the entire chapter, not just selected verses!
Richard Morley (8 months ago)
Why don't they get all the facts and talk the truth religion is full of lies
fredoniahead (8 months ago)
Al-Fadi...are you planning on finishing the Quranic Dilemma by coming out with volume 2?. The first volume is fantastic and I recommend it.
Narasimhan Srinivasan (8 months ago)
you prove your understanding by first reading the article and pointing out what you did not follow? 1800 is a stat.... do you follow even that?
Muslims are so brainwashed that it doesn't matter what evidence they are presented with, they will always reject it and desperately cling onto their (foolish) belief that Muhammad is a prophet and Allah is the God of the Torah and the Bible
Narasimhan Srinivasan (8 months ago)
Hi if Quran co-existed with Muhammad, then how come "Quranic verses" mention Muhammad or messenger of Allah in the quranic revelations? I hope I put my questions right!!
Narasimhan Srinivasan (8 months ago)
These morons keep lying and spreading the lie that Quran is original and unchanged.... first of all the Quranic verses existed during the time of Muhammad himself, and as confirmed in this speech by Tarek Fatah [link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB1Dx5NplxY], it was Uthman the third Caliph who FIRST BURNT MORE THAN 300 QURANS and then commissioned that version of the Quran that was favourable only to Muslims, and the royalty of Muslims and is completely unfavourable to any non-Muslim. Do not believe?? Open the video link given by me.(let us not forget that the first five so-called divine successors to Muhammad were MURDERED because they were not given any value by their opponents who were in majority). The present version of the Quran is not even in chronological order and because for a long time anyone opposing the royalty was murdered in cold blood, over a period of time, this cult became blood thirsty and made mounds of skulls of their murdered/killed opponents.
Boom .. debate is over.
Natsu Dragneel (9 months ago)
Perchment in ancient time was rare and difficult to produce, but the written ink on it's surface could be defaced or removed and reused. The same thing had happened with the so called very old Qur'an. Perchment could had been made or retained or preserved by much much earlier people which were probably preserved unused or might had already been used or written upon with marker or ink which were erased and reused to write down the so called Qur'anic verses much much later to make Qur'an look like very old, and it was sure that it was a deception by the Muslim writers. So, the carbon dating can be misleading because the ink writings cannot be carbon dated.
PraiseAllah72 (9 months ago)
Look at this silly Disbeliever, he is making up lies to feed his decieve his misguided followers!
PraiseToJesus7 ONLY (9 months ago)
yeeeee Sarkis ..sorry brother ,your right..the quran is not made by humans....how stupid of me to think that... THE QURAN WAS WRITTEN BY ALIENS AND IT JUST FELL OUT OF THE SKY INTO THE EARTH AND IT LANDED IN MECCA....AND IT WAS ALL APPROVED BY ALLAH/SATAN.... WAKE UP SARKIS BROTHER WAKE UP....YOU AND 1.6 BILLION MUSLIMS ARE ALL SLEEEEEPING ....
Arastushukooh (9 months ago)
The video is bollocks as usual, using selective and manipulated data by testicle-brains!
Hani Zetoneh (9 months ago)
Read/listen to Quran even once my brothers in humanity then judge, please life is too short/worthless to be ignorant in front of your merciful yet wisdom god. All our actions are being recorded and it will be manifested afterlife, so choose wisely which side you wanna be. I feel sad for those 2 guys who is trying to challenge our all mighty and I wish they repent and become good human beings. Remember without this life/test (good and evil) we cannot reach our true self.
Hani Zetoneh (9 months ago)
In A world were adultary, transgender, economy based interest, evil plotters go free, stealing, pedophilia become norms; I won't be surprised to see Quran disapprove become a norm.
Day-Glow Orange (8 months ago)
Was Muhammad's paedophilic marriageable , (Aisha) advocacy of slavery. Instruction to beat your wife (but not as severe as your slave) the norm?
Hani Zetoneh (9 months ago)
It's funny how science can claim many false information without any liability, fucking 4 parties give 4 deferent reading and they picked whatever they wanna claim to disapprove a book contains ultimate wisdom.
alwaleed elhimri (9 months ago)
I didn’t realize Christians believed in carbon dating. Maybe you can explain how the Bible is the word of God when it says the earth is 5000 years old when carbon dating says it’s over 4 billion.
JP C (4 months ago)
@alwaleed elhimri All the SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENTS which Muslims claim have been completely REFUTED pls watch https://youtu.be/8R4YI8ypRb8 & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AtcgmCcMVg
PfanderFilms (8 months ago)
PfanderFilms 1 second ago I think if you watched the video you will find that both Jay and Al Fadi are putting doubts to the Carbon dates. What they do say is that if the Muslims are going to accept the early carbon dating of the Birmingham Folios than they are also going to have to accept the much earlier carbon dates of the Sana'a manuscript. In the end since carbon dating is so inexact, they say that it is probably better to go with the Paleographical dates for these texts.
Michael Hernon (9 months ago)
What is that thing on his head???
Twirlip Of The Mists (9 months ago)
All religions have these inconsistencies. They all have their origins in previous religions. They're all "religions of peace."
Aefray (9 months ago)
Islam has no claim to be peaceful. The sword verse is a declaration of war upon the world. Those that follow the pervert most closely are cowards and terrorists.
Vijayanathan Stephen (9 months ago)
I don't care how old is the quran. But I know that the quran is very dangerous and it should be baned in its totality.
saabajoe (9 months ago)
While it is always the enemies of Islam doingnthe slandering, it is mainly non religious scholars and ex preachers who take the lead is warning about the history of the bible. Notice the difference? https://youtu.be/whjyTredXeE
PfanderFilms (8 months ago)
Not sure the data which Dr Smith and Al fadi are offering here is slander, at least that is not how I would define slander. Dr Smith has done a whole series on the historical data on the Bible, which are on this site for you to see.
PraiseToJesus7 ONLY (9 months ago)
SATAN CREATED ISLAM SATAN CREATED THE EVIL QURAN BOOK SATAN INSPIRED THE PAEDOFILE MOOOOOOOHAMED TO CREATE ALLAH... MECCA AND KAABA ARE THE MOST EVIL PLACES ON THIS PLANET.....SATAN LOVES THIS PLACE.
chris hoff (9 months ago)
The thing I noticed is that the Mohammed in Medina seems to have a totally different personality than the Mohammed in Mecca. A compilation of two totally differnt people.
thulomanchay (16 days ago)
Jesus did not succumb to the seduction of Satan. Mohammed gave in to women, sex and power. Satan uses Islam to get back at Jesus. Jesus is only a prophet, Jesus did not die on the cross, Jesus is not the Son of God. All these to undermine Jesus Christ.
Gottfried Himmel (5 months ago)
Thats not true. There is a difference because Muhammad established the islamic state in madina and became a political leader. Of course you have other responsabilitys as a political leader. And think about it. This only makes sense if the story is true. If the story wouldnt be true then why would we see a difference between Makka and Madina ? It makes no sense. First of all : Radio carbon method is not 100% correct and secondly : They date the paper not the ink. And it was absolutly normal in this time that they used paper sevral times. They just washed the ink of and used it again. This is why the paper can be a few years older. But its funny to see how christian missionarys and atheists now jump in a circle like crazy and try to look for excuses hh ^^ And what is your claim ? That he had a twin brother who killed him and took over the state ? ^^
Tom Burnett (8 months ago)
@Chris Hoff: the usual interpretation is that in Mecca he kept a surface appearance of tolerance, because he was vastly outnumbered by people who thought he was not only a suicidal nut case (for which there is good evidence), but that he was threatening to wreck the lucrative city income from pilgrims coming to visit and worship at all the various idols (about 360). He was invited to Medina, conveniently just at the time when his tribe were about to do him injury because they were getting increasingly angry at his constant denunciations of their religious beliefs. In Medina he was given a position of power, and he rapidly established a solid power base where he commanded armed thugs that would do his bidding: threatening and killing anyone who opposed him, laughed at or even wrote critical poems about him. Power corrupts, and he became more and more powerful, and aggressive. He eventually went back to visit Mecca with his army, and 'sorted out' his critics, permanently. If the quran is rearranged in temporal order, this transformation becomes very clear, which means that the message of the quran changes from tolerance to open hostility and warfare. In islam it is called the 3 stages of jihad (tolerance/defensive/offensive).
chris hoff (9 months ago)
Possibly amalgam of two totally different people. It's like he had this evil twin that took over when he moved to Medina.
Ahmed Hank (9 months ago)
Arabic language predict also Mohamed ? people on this (400-550) times speaks Hebrew and Arabic ?
George (9 months ago)
The dates are in keeping with the stories I heard in 1964 the Quran the writing of a Judean rabbi who didn't like the teaching from the main source. He wrote this as his interpretation as part of his Talmud. Somewhere is a true original writing.
Patat Je (9 months ago)
You mean K'ab al Ahbar? Or maybe Abdullah ibn Salam?
Ade Fegan (9 months ago)
maybe islam will manage to suppress the world under sharia or maybe muslims will wake the fuck up maybe mosques will become a generation of bingo halls sometime over the next few generations maybe muhammad will one day take his rightful place in history as a notorious tyrant and deceiver who can tell ?

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